Its smarter to do a IRT Utica line because the demand for a Utica Av Line is not in Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, but in East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Mill Basin. Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? blend into hilly terrain. By SAS standards thatd run to 7 billion. challenge. The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY el structures around Broadway Junction. because Im so taken with the main idea of applying a new technique to There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. [31], For the station at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, see, Elevator at northwest corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway, in Eastern Parkway median, Last edited on 30 November 2022, at 09:22, Utica Avenue station (IND Fulton Street Line), "Facts and Figures: Annual Subway Ridership 20142019", "Subway to Brooklyn Opened for Traffic; First Regular Passenger Train Went Under the East River Early This Morning. W 34 St and 7th Ave, W 33 St and 7th Ave, W 32 St and 7th Ave. One island platform, two side platforms. Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? Freeway-style concrete pillars. Abandoned Stations List; . street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. Now for the second option. It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. MTA. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. You bring up a good point. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. Flatbush Ave is extra wide along this section and the median would be used to create a safer traffic pattern. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. The Canarsie and Myrtle Lines. South of Kings Highway would be stations at Flatlands Ave, Ave N and after the line turns down Flatbush Ave, at Ave U-Kings Plaza. They will have elevators or ramps for handicapped access. Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. Trains descending the ramp can access either the local or express track.[22]. [19][20], In 1981, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority listed the station among the 69 most deteriorated stations in the subway system. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. Or just stay on your train. Doesnt matter. Going further the stations could even be built by private developers who would get a height bonus for building the station. Touring: F train to East Broadway. [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Your 3/4 routing doesnt work anymore. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. The Manhattan-bound platform has its metalwork painted in golden yellow and the tiles beneath the trim line in dark blue. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. When would you see it converted to that? No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). As part of the NYS Public Service Commission report in 1912 on new lines the Commission recommended a 4 track 14th St Subway with branches through Williamsburg. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Arent they doing If not too difficult, another phase could be to make the new junction after the existing Utica Avenue station so that, instead of switching between New Lots and Clarendon Road, there be a third switch to the north with an extension up to Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, utilizing the existing shell and completing it, while switching it to an IRT width. So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). SAS-Grand Central future awkward? Off-road (Chicago style). The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. The station's I-beam columns are painted maroon, alternating ones having the standard black station name plate with white lettering. 4. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. Just an idea! Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. 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There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. But that off-road el idea is just too cool to pass up (I love your picture of the Chicago train going through the building). You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. Eliminating the bottleneck and interlining will improve frequency at Franklin so the transfer wont take too long. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. And another commenter hit upon phasing. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. [23], The station's full-time exit is at the east end (railroad south) of the platforms. The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. I, My 6) above, stacking the tracks. Secondly is that the IND plan, like most of their plans, was wildly over designed and would require extra miles of subway from Eastern Parkway to the Lower East Side as well as a much wider 4 track trunk line instead of the IRTs proposed 2/3 track line (much like the New Lots branch the line would have been built with 2 tracks and space for a third to be added later). If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. There are no flaws in this plan. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. If we build to IND station size (while making easily-removable platforms extensions that allow the platforms to be disabled accessible to IRT trains) wouldnt that allow the subway to easily expand capacity once they find the money to make an IND connection or just convert the IRT to the IND gauge? Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). Pseudo-viaducts. The Flushing Line viaduct cleans up real nice If connected to the Second Avenue subway I feel that could provide another East Side alternative for passengers and help relieve pressure from the IRT lines. As part of Contract 3 of the agreement, between New York City and the IRT, the original subway opened by the IRT in 1904 to City Hall,[12] and extended to Atlantic Avenue in 1908,[13] was to be extended eastward into Brooklyn. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. [12], There are four stair entrances, all on Fulton Street:[13]. Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. Weekends the 3 runs in Bkyln so it can serve New Lots as usual on weekends. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. Excellent nonetheless. Great idea. There are also some windows in this level. And on what route? With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. from those two subway stations Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. The only And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. It stands to reason, then, that the massive South 4th Subway with branches to Utica Ave and along Myrtle Ave was designed to replace the Broadway and Myrtle Ave Els as well. I would extend the (2)/(5) to Voorhies, with a possible skip-stop to speed up commutes.Otherwise, I agree that this is option MTA will opt for most. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. It will be an additional use of Bay Ridge, besides dropping the L into it, and thus help thwart the Triborough RX effort. Messing that up is messing a lot of commuters daily commute. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. Unusually, there are two mezzanine levels; the upper mezzanine level was closed off after a 1995 renovation, and the lower mezzanine level is actually the platform level of the unbuilt Utica Avenue line. The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. Four side platforms. Utica Av/Av D is 464 yards away, 6 min walk. While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. So theres a source of northern capacity right there. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! The Utica Avenue subway would bring new rapid transit service to parts of Crown Heights . For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! Switch the 3/4 so that the 3 still goes to New Lots Av, but the 4 will now go to Flatbush Av. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. Artwork here was made in 1996 by Jimmy James Green and is called Children's Cathedral. That ramp was installed as part of the original BMT plans around 1917. The A/C line in Brooklyn cant be tampered with, because both trains are crowded during rush hours, and the A or C cant be diverted before Broadway Junction, because then at the nearest express station, your going to see a huge crowd, and the point of Broadway Junction is to drop off the passangers to other trains to get home or to get to work. The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? 3 and 4 train service through East . Hughes and Brooklyn Officials to Join in a Formal Celebration of Event To-day", "Exercises In City Hall. The first instance I can find of a proposal for Utica comes from a NY Times article in 1913 where residents were debating the best route. It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they The problem here is between these two streets one lane will have to be teared up and bus stops will have to be relocated and detoured, which messes up a lot of commuters daily travel. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. The Utica Avenue subway station in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Off-center over roadway. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. The gritty, graffiti-ridden New York City subway system is quite a character in Joker. Thats right, build subways to validate els. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. Before the renovation of this station in 1995, it was possible to see the unfinished station from the mezzanine. This Fascinating Abandoned Train Station In Arizona Is A True Piece Of History. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Im not sure why you are even proposing this. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. BBGUN63. The transit desert is along Utica Ave south of Eastern Parkway. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). "Not a lot of people get to see this area," said Doug Nintzel with the . In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. What if we could do the outer el portion without the costly subway for now and at least temporarily connect it to a lower cost service? Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. There is an active tower at the south end of the platform while a closed one exists on the east of the lower level. IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. There is also sporadic 2 and 5 service during rush hours. IRT Utica would run express by default and be a much quicker commute (not to mention better transfer options at Atlantic Ave.) As you stated CBTC will boost frequency a bit more but those are all other projects that need to be done first. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. In IND reports it was proposed to have the line remain as a subway until Ave J where it would ascend to the surface and run elevated, originally to Sheepshead Bay, then later a more simplified route down Flatbush Ave to Floyd Bennett Field. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). In May 2014, MTA installed three elevators: one near the intersection of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, connecting the mezzanine to the street, and two elevators connecting the platforms to the mezzanine. 11. station. They will have wider entries, pathways and platforms so they wont have to be rebuilt to greater capacity later, as is being done to so many of them now. BED-STUY, BROOKLYN A person was hit and killed by a train at Utica Avenue station in Bed-Stuy on Wednesday morning, according to the MTA and FDNY. Again, Worth isnt the best choice, but there are no good choices with an IND style Utica Ave. Not bad. Utica Avenue Subway Station. I never said I disagreed with staging it so that Utica is first built. Got to be local? Hey, me again. Youve presented an excellent case for ruling out Williamsburg. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. Same dilemma as if underground. As you point out, the area already has subway service. Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. Anyone? Then a tunnel would have to be built just outside the station. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. (This post was also meant for a different article.). Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Williamsburg in comparison to a Bypass is a much lower priority, since the L is not operating anywhere near signalling capacity; upgrading the power supply gives you a bump from 21TPH to 26TPH, nearly a 25% increase in service, and building tail tracks and appropriate terminals also increases that number. The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. So maybe building the subway part of Utica isnt appropriate at this time. Just skip it. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station.

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